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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:08:00 -
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This is in response to the thread in General discussion that was locked: Are New Order permits now worthless?
I would say that is a matter of perspective, but to answer the OP of that thread's question about the propaganda cans stating permit holding miners are now subject to bumps and ganks... Yes we are bumping and ganking permit holding miners.
Why are you bumping and ganking permit holding miners?
I'll tell you why... I understand that the ten mil permit fee is a drop in the bucket of the CODE budget, but let me tell you something about permit holding miners.
They enjoy sitting in minerbumping chat and feeding CODE agents intell about non-compliant miners.
I dont know how often this happens as most agents have scouts these days but on occasion they provide warp-ins for ganks.
Thats called aiding and abetting. Some of the people in the anti-ganking movement might still call them victims and thats allright.
I guess the biggest reason I think its a good idea to gank and bump permit holding miners is that there is not alot CODE can do to stop it, and most of them are in such disbelief that it is actually happening that they fall into their old habits of claiming victory no matter the outcome of any given situation. |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.09 23:50:00 -
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 Leto Thule wrote:Kelur Hunter wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Kelur Hunted wrote:
Or I can just not pay and dock and bore you virgins to death and return to mining later on and also not saying anything to you people so I don't entertain the virus you guys spread.
Love these. Firstly, I am not part of New Order or CODE. I support what they do because it generates content. Secondly, as soon as you make comments like "you virgins", you automatically lose any credibility as its a baseless personal attack with no relevance to the argument. As you will soon realize, players in EvE are likely to reap what they sow. You have kicked the hornets nest. Enjoy that. OK, if you support the CODE I see you as one of them. They say so much rude things by far greater than me using the word "Virgins". When I talk against them I sometimes stoop to their level of disrespectful mindless blabbering. I apologize if I offended you in anyway. I Just don't see how people support the CODE. In my eyes anything that will make a new player quit the game is extremely unfair because they will quit the game and lose their chance on seeing Eve for the beauty that it is. The irony here is that New Order Agents are never disrespectful.
That is the whole point isnt it.
CODE agents that dont live up to there own CODE.
So should I contact you ingame with some chat logs and quotes of New Order agents being disrespectful and even being dishonest?
Ole Jamsey boy will go on and on about the dishonesty of miners and of the integrity of his agents.
He goes on... and on... and on and on.
Man that guy is longwinded.
Anyhow let me know... Anyone else want to get to know the real CODE besides the rhetoric they spout in local then spend some time in minerbumping chat. |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.10 02:49:00 -
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Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile. |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.10 07:19:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:Act as we say not as we do.
Familiar stuff.
Play the game our way or else.
Put on the noble face for public consumption.
Like I said before if you want to know the real New Order go hang out in minerbumping chat channel for awhile. Or else risk losing your ship, I don't see the problem. Acting as Max, join [idle] the MB channel, search through your chat logs trying to find a predetermined fault and declare that all players who "hang out" in the MB channel are all mean sociopaths (if you're looking for something, you're going to find it regardless). Also, gank miners and declare that your ganking of miners is okay, because the carebears did it. Instead, join MB channel and become involved. Talk to people, ask questions, start some conversations and see that those players are more involved in the game, willing to help and not as stuck up as carebears. 
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 00:20:00 -
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Sorry about the empty post, experiencing some tech problems on my end.
I'm not arguing with you, I'm presenting the facts as I see them.
Thank you for the invitation to the MB channel.
I gladly accept said invitation but I'm afraid you will have to petition your supreme leader on my behalf to lift the ban he imposed on me. He doesnt seem very secure in his own beliefs when he bans those who express theirs.
If you are lucky enough to catch him during his next ten minute log session and he agrees then contact me in game and I will come have a chat with you and your associates.
Thanks again.
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 07:07:00 -
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Nope, that's not how it went down at all.
I think he was angry because I called him out on his blatent
plagerism of a children's magazine.
I mean if the CODE is such an important and holy document
you might think it would be an original piece.
At the very least he could have ripped off maybe Time or
Rolling Stone magazine.
As far as your red pen list goes, sounds like fun.
Already survived one gank attempt in my not invinceable
bumping stabber. Nice to see New Order agents get frustrated
from time to time.
Had to remind them of a quote I heard from a wise old CODE agent once.
"Never gank with anger" |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:08:00 -
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You seem to be missing the point here or you are really good at the classic technique of puttin the spin on it.
It doesnt take much at all to get banned from the MB channel especially if you happen to catch James online while poking holes in the logic of his beloved CODE. My other character was kicked after he threatened to show chat logs of one of your members acting very unCODE-like in local, This included some very foul language which I had previously never encountered before from a CODE agent. Even more surprising was a tear filled rant that included every square from a miner bingo card after your member had lost a ship. Naturally said member didnt want any of this information to be presented to his agent friends and he had my gank alt kicked after I called him on his behaviour.
If you look through the previous posts you will see I was responding to your ivitation to come to the MB channel and have "conversations". I dont want or need to join you. My associates and I are allready bumping and ganking miners. They just happen to have mining permits and pledges of support in their bio's.
The reactions of your agents to our actions have been quite varied.
Some think its great.
Some deny it is even happening despite being provided with the KM's.
One of your corps even declared war after we ganked a few permit holders in their area.
They learned two things that you think would have allready been evident to a New Order corp:
War deccing doesnt really combat suicide ganking.
Its very easy to lose a war when your foe uses the techniques pionerred by James 315.
Our guy didnt even have to shed the corp and restart it. After being down 50 mil the New Order corp must have realized
the folly in war deccing a one man corp with a -5 gank alt.
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.11 15:20:00 -
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No you still got me all wrong mate, I'm the "he ripped of a childrens magazine for one of the sections of his code" guy.
I think that Goofus and Gallant is still a regular feature in Hi-lights magazine but I'm not sure.
Now if James came up with that idea first then he is one radical old timer playin internet spaceships because Highlights came out in the 1940's. If that is truly the case I apologize for all the comments about only logging in for ten minutes a day. I realize he must be very busy indeed with matlock reruns and eating dinner at 4 pm. |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 01:06:00 -
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That ok mate, sometimes if you're having trouble keeping up it might be a good idea to go back a few pages and re-read some of the posts. I was responding to Malcoms last post and if you click on the link he has in there it might help clear things up. Besides
that I not sure what you or that Kaaro fellow have to do with my invitation to the MB channel. Are you guys with CODE or are you just cheerleaders and hang-arounds? |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 16:44:00 -
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Capt Starfox wrote:Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:You seem to be missing the point here or you are really good at the classic technique of puttin the spin on it.
It doesnt take much at all to get banned from the MB channel especially if you happen to catch James online while poking holes in the logic of his beloved CODE. My other character was kicked after he threatened to show chat logs of one of your members acting very unCODE-like in local, This included some very foul language which I had previously never encountered before from a CODE agent. Even more surprising was a tear filled rant that included every square from a miner bingo card after your member had lost a ship. Naturally said member didnt want any of this information to be presented to his agent friends and he had my gank alt kicked after I called him on his behaviour.
If you look through the previous posts you will see I was responding to your ivitation to come to the MB channel and have "conversations". I dont want or need to join you. My associates and I are allready bumping and ganking miners. They just happen to have mining permits and pledges of support in their bio's.
The reactions of your agents to our actions have been quite varied.
Some think its great.
Some deny it is even happening despite being provided with the KM's.
One of your corps even declared war after we ganked a few permit holders in their area.
They learned two things that you think would have allready been evident to a New Order corp:
War deccing doesnt really combat suicide ganking.
Its very easy to lose a war when your foe uses the techniques pionerred by James 315.
Our guy didnt even have to shed the corp and restart it. After being down 50 mil the New Order corp must have realized
the folly in war deccing a one man corp with a -5 gank alt.
More power to you for ganking Miners, even if they are Code miners. As I've said before, if you are able to gank a miner, then that miner was not paying attention and deserved it. I'm assuming you were kicked for joining the channel and starting arguments with people. If this is the case, in the future when you're in a channel, or in RL, try to be a bit more classy next time. This is the part where I tell you that you haven't done enough research. Agents can talk to miners the way they perceive will best represent the Code. This is not a new thing and has been around for well over a year now; in fact, I believe it's around 2 years now. So, complaining about how the Code is wrong because of an Agent acting in a way that you would disagree with is irrelevant. Furthermore, I don't believe you have chat logs. And even if you do, I bet they're doctored. I've already seen chat logs where pieces of information where removed in order to make the "rebels" look better. Which is great, really. You guys are reaching and grabbing at straws, or anything for that matter that you believe could, sort of, maybe support your claims. But, once you have to start changing words around, or deleting them entirely, or simply not including them, we've already won. In fact, think about it this way: You're doing exactly what we want you to be doing. Thank you.
As I stated before in this thread, I was kicked from your channel for for posting contrary ideas about your CODE while James was online and was kicked immediately. Wasnt argueing or being unpolite. What is it with you guys telling people how to how to behave in RL. Whats that have to do with internet spaceships? James does the same thing in many of his minerbumping blog posts. If anyone in this game needs to worry about RL behavior it is probably the person who celebrates being the villain but still trys to make it seem noble and honorable.
As for chatlogs, James uses them alot in his blog, sometimes its screen shots and sometimes not, I wonder if any of those are doctored.
So, lets make this simple. Maybe I have been confused. If the CODE is a living breathing document like James describes then it might be considered to be difficult to understand for a simple internet spaceship guy like myself.
Hopefully an esteemed agent of the CODE will help me with this inquiry:
1. Is foul language in local prohibited by the CODE?
2. Are CODE agents required to follow the CODE?
These questions are worded very simply and should not be to difficult for a veteren CODE represenative.
They could even be considered to be yes or no questions.
I eagerly await your response and in the meantime I shall attempt to become more classy. |
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 21:51:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:Hopefully an esteemed agent of the CODE will help me with this inquiry:
1. Is foul language in local prohibited by the CODE? The code is clear on this: Keep local clean. Miners should be courteous in local and should refrain from the use of profanity.Quote:2. Are CODE agents required to follow the CODE? Yes. Any agent found mining in violation of the code wouldn't be an agent for very long.
Admiral I thank you for your reply though I think a simple yes or no might have been more easily understood.
I hope this post from admiral root clears things up for the citizens of hi-sec who might have been misunderstanding different sections of the CODE.
Apparently only miners need to refrain from using profanity in local, now this might seem like a free pass for all you mission runners, salvagers, haulers etc etc, but lets at least make an effort to keep it clean out there people.
According to root CODE agents only have to follow the CODE when they are mining, which most of them state they would never be caught dead doing, so in effect the rest of the time they dont have to follow the CODE.
Does that sum it up or will we require some more clarification? |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 22:35:00 -
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It seems we drifted a bit off-topic with the whole chat-logs thing but I do think its impossible to know if someone is doctoring the logs they post for public disemination unless you are that person.
I personally dont belive that James alters what he posts because this game is known for the crazy things people come up with when confronted by one another. You dont need to make this stuff up.
I've witnessed the tear filled rants in local after the CODE guys did their work and expeirenced it first hand when a permit holding miner relized that their permit tank wasnt the best tank after all.
Thought we were keeping things in this thread civil for the most part untill Selina charged in with accusations of lying and calling people retards and childish.
Maybe she hasnt yet learned to channel her inner "James Bond" in order to remain cool and calm at all times like most of the veteren CODE agents do.
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:02:00 -
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Selina earlier I posted about a NO member who acted dishonestly, dishonorably and had a tear filled profanity laced rant in local chat that was as bad (and as funny) as any ganked miner tears after he lost a ship. Now if you read back to that post and see how this thread has been all over the board since then maybe you will agree I've been fairly civil and reasonable throughout my posts. Yes I'll admit I poked a bit of fun at James and maybe my sense of humour isnt for everybody but after all he is your supreme leader not mine.
With your permission I could contact you in-game to present you with some of this "evidence" so you could make your own judgements and decide whether or not I doctored any of the information given.
If the CODE truly exists to help save hi-sec is it too much to ask to expect those who enforce it to be held to the same high standards as the people it is being forced upon? |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:16:00 -
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Selina Dyle wrote:Maxmillian Rokatansky wrote:calm poster i like please do so. but you dont need to as i believe there are and will be black sheep. the new order is a very big community. you find idiots in every subculture, but trust me that fellow you are describing will probably never be supported by the other agents.
I appreciate your reply for after a year of confrontations with your people you are the first agent to even come remotely close to admitting that not all agents are perfect little choirboys that can do no wrong.
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Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.12 23:37:00 -
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I will do so sooner rather then later.
The individual in question here is unmistakenly an agent.
He was featured and praised by James in a minerbumping blog post only days before the incident I described.
Thanks again |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.13 15:14:00 -
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Once again I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the CODE representives who have responded in a well worded and civil manner.
Capt Starfox you covered the same ground as Admiral Root and though I feel there are still some grey areas I am happy to see that both your posts were consistent with one another.
Clara Pond as you should be well aware that this is a public forum, do you think it might be possible to keep the James 315 booty kissing in minerbumping chat? Also I dont want to tell you how to do your job but with hardly a CODE compliant miner
to be found between gamis and rens your time might be better spent attending to your CODE enforcement duties.
To the rest of those who have posted and claim to be "supporters" of CODE I feel I even have something in common with you.
Sadly over the years I have supported Wigan Athletic knowing full well that its highly unlikely my support will ever be acknowledged. |
Maxmillian Rokatansky
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.04.17 20:51:00 -
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Sawdeth Alumini wrote:Mitsushige Shingen wrote:Glory to the New Order!
All those that deliberately hold back individuals from achieving true happiness shall be purged.
Individuals that brainwash our brothers and sisters into believing mining for all eternity and then mining some more, because they've brainwashed them into believing that it is the route to happiness, will not be tolerated! It is unacceptable.
James 315 is doing a grand service. Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are so wrapped up in these insane delusions perpetrated by the hate-infused "Carebears", they refuse to open their eyes and embrace enlightenment.
All in due time though, The New Order wasn't built in a day.
Touching speech, but I'm afraid you're the one who's been brainwashed. James 315 doesn't care about you, he thinks that you're a pawn. He'll exterminate you just as he did to one of his officers.
That's very interesting to hear, I'm as anti-CODE as the next guy but not a fan of fabricated
storys of officer extermination.So please explain futher if you will.
p.s. I didn't know you CODE guys had commisioned officers.
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